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distilledwill · Sep 28, 2007, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Faer

Whatever argument you were trying to make was just invalidated. There's no difference in skill between the Luxons and Kurzicks; It's all about individual skill. But you're just another AB addict who thinks 1v1 and mobbing are pro tactics, and running away from an unfair fight makes a person a "noob".

I can tell, because you are a Luxon.

cwutididthar?

V true, all this "luxons are better than Kurz" "kurz are better than luxons" is pointless, its a fairly arbitrary decision which side is chosen (obviously, there are tastes, but for a lot of people they just randomly choose)

It is, as you've stated, all about induvidual play.

longhornrob · Sep 29, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by Faer

Whatever argument you were trying to make was just invalidated. There's no difference in skill between the Luxons and Kurzicks; It's all about individual skill. But you're just another AB addict who thinks 1v1 and mobbing are pro tactics, and running away from an unfair fight makes a person a "noob".

I can tell, because you are a Luxon.

cwutididthar?

Are there significantly more Kurzicks than Luxons?

Riotgear · Sep 29, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Faer

[FONT="Book Antiqua"]There's no difference in skill between the Luxons and Kurzicks;

My long-term Saltspray Beach record (playing both sides) is something like 55%/45% favoring Luxon. The Luxon win rate on Keys is also higher than the Kurzick win rate on Grenz, though I forget the numbers. The better players are on Luxon, regardless of what people regurgitating the "it's just lore" line would like to believe.

longhornrob · Sep 29, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

My long-term Saltspray Beach record (playing both sides) is something like 55%/45% favoring Luxon. The Luxon win rate on Keys is also higher than the Kurzick win rate on Grenz, though I forget the numbers. The better players are on Luxon, regardless of what people regurgitating the "it's just lore" line would like to believe.

Could this be because the "better" Kurzick players head over to faction farming PvE quests whenever the map heads to Saltspray?

moriz · Sep 29, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Lorinda

I hope to meet you in AB onces. See if you like incendiary Arrows on any type of class you use. And also play AB more. Most people dont have any condition remover just a heal regen of 10 seconds. Besides that you must be a crappy ranger if you cant interupt 1 or 2 heals.

You might think your a pro in AB, but after reading those guides every one i showed them thinks you need to play more AB.

But ill stop flaming the poor. Battle will prove how is right. Cu in AB. If your lucky your luxon, then you will not meet me.
(where the better players are, since kurzicks only run for faction)

maybe you should show the guide to those who actually know how to play, instead of everyone who's just as bad as you are.

Faer · Sep 29, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

My long-term Saltspray Beach record

Yes, because your personal records are accurate displays of everyone else's play experiences. When I play AB (or even Fort Aspenwood, for that matter), Kurzicks tend to win. Do I run around saying "the best of players are on the Kurzick side" because of it? Nope. It's just my own experience, from my own playtime, and I'm not going to toot the Kurzick Horn over it. If I played 24/7 in every single match, then yeah, I might be singing praises of one side or the other. But as I don't play in every match, and probably haven't even played in 40% of the matches to date, I'm not going to throw statistics around that hold no real weight.

However, if I was going to toot a horn, I'd say that 90% of the battles I have seen, the Kurzicks were victorious, and therefore, either the best of the best players choose Kurzick, or the Luxons just plain suck.

The better players are scattered around, regardless of what the Arbitrary Statistics Division of GWG keeps regurgitating.

Alex the Great · Sep 29, 2007, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Ranger spike team requires an entire team's bar being dedicated to it, this guide is mostly for single players on their own. Not only that, the AB environment isn't really conducive to ranger spike. RaO is shit now. BHA is shit for AB. Beastmasters suck everywhere.

Before you post, read the entire article. You might learn something and not come off sounding so uninformed and ignorant.

UNIMFORMED AND IGNORANT???

are you talking about the entire population of alliance battles, or just me?

lots of the heal as one beastmaster r/p's have great survivability
point blank+zonjuns shot+kindle arrow+congure flame+ escape is pretty neat also

i made a sword ranger with crip slash, gash, finaly thrust, and apply poison
but that was for fun so....(fairly ignorant)

ok BHA sucks, all that i could think of

and uhhhhhh well.......uhhhhh......WATER SNARER IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN A CRIPSHOT. water trident is great, use armour of mist for ab, freezing gusy is great.

cripshot= ok but not so great

Riotgear · Sep 29, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Faer

Yes, because your personal records are accurate displays of everyone else's play experiences.

With over 600 games tallied (out of ~2000 played), I think I've probably got a better idea of what the real numbers are than most people do. I'll dig them out of my backup archive some time tonight (I changed comps so I can't just double-click the tally any more). "Play experiences" are subject to being skewed by personal interpretation (in particular, being able to skew the results by changing the outcome), stat collection from both sides is not. It's also varies day to day, there are times when it seems like all of the terrible players flocked to one side and are getting steamrolled in their own territory.

90% Kurzick victory rate anywhere but Grenz or Ancestral is a flat-out lie, unless you're running a steamroll team and your 8 other teammates somehow just managed to be really good every single time.

iridescentfyre · Sep 29, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

With over 600 games tallied (out of ~2000 played), I think I've probably got a better idea of what the real numbers are than most people do. I'll dig them out of my backup archive some time tonight (I changed comps so I can't just double-click the tally any more). "Play experiences" are subject to being skewed by personal interpretation (in particular, being able to skew the results by changing the outcome), stat collection from both sides is not. It's also varies day to day, there are times when it seems like all of the terrible players flocked to one side and are getting steamrolled in their own territory.

90% Kurzick victory rate anywhere but Grenz or Ancestral is a flat-out lie, unless you're running a steamroll team and your 8 other teammates somehow just managed to be really good every single time.

Even if 55%/45% favoring Luxon is accurate, you made an enormous jump in logic when you said its proof that the Luxons have better players. Statistics are bullshit because they are always tainted by more than one factor.. in this case, player skill is not the only possibility. On top of that, its only 5% difference, and—just a guess—its rounded up, isn't it?

Chicken Ftw · Sep 30, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

UNIMFORMED AND IGNORANT???

are you talking about the entire population of alliance battles, or just me?

lots of the heal as one beastmaster r/p's have great survivability
point blank+zonjuns shot+kindle arrow+congure flame+ escape is pretty neat also

i made a sword ranger with crip slash, gash, finaly thrust, and apply poison
but that was for fun so....(fairly ignorant)

ok BHA sucks, all that i could think of

and uhhhhhh well.......uhhhhh......WATER SNARER IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN A CRIPSHOT. water trident is great, use armour of mist for ab, freezing gusy is great.

cripshot= ok but not so great

I was gonna say just you, but then I re-read the topic and I'll say a lot of players.

See everything I've bolded? It's either not true or sucks. Might want to leave these out the next time you try to sound credible on an issue. I don't think I need to reply further.

Faer · Sep 30, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

(out of ~2000 played)

Out of how many (tens? hundreds?) of thousands of total matches run to date?

Yeah, 600 games tallied is totally an accurate representation of faction skill.

moriz · Oct 01, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

i did write guides (that's right, multiple guides) about how to play AB.

the cripshot is a great team build but can really shine solo. effective ABing will consist of a multiple of different tactics, be it mobbing, group capping, or soloing. the fact that you fail to realize this is what gives you away as an inexperienced player. (see, i'm being polite here. i can just say you suck. which btw, you do)

faction ranks make absolutely zero difference. i am probably a much better ABer than most of your saviors put together. the fact that you can simply FFF your way to the savior rank also makes it obvious why rank makes no difference. the fact that you fail to grasp this, once again shows me that you are an inexperienced player. (which is, as you know, a politer way to say "you suck")

moriz · Oct 09, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

your bullshit stinks so much that i can smell it over the internet.

i'll never have to reach your level of playing ab, because i've surpassed it long ago. the fact that you don't realize this just proves how bad you and your equally bad buddies are. have a nice day. don't play too badly so i don't have to win the games for you.

kimfromhouston · Oct 09, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

I like the guide. . . pretty much summarizes how I play crip shot (my third most used character for AB, behind my Monk and my Mez).

AB is by far my favorite arena. . . tons of fun, but let's be real here, it is a scrub arena still flocked by mending and riposte wammos, meteor shower monks, and rangers who can't get it into their skulls that Crip Shot and BA are the only real viable builds (then again, you're free to settle for sub-par all you want).

RhanoctJocosa · Oct 10, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Lorinda

You will never reach our level of playing ab.

By that you mean running around a map and nuking then capping shrines. Pretty skillful play there.

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Originally Posted by Lorinda

I lolled hard core

Me too.

fenix · Oct 10, 2007, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Also all my friends i showed this so called guide to did not like it or just refused to read it. Especially your How to play AB most of them just skipped after reading "rule 1 and 2"

1) You do not talk about playing Cripshot.
2) You DO NOT talk about playing Cripshot.

RhanoctJocosa · Oct 10, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by fenix

1) You do not talk about playing Cripshot.
2) You DO NOT talk about playing Cripshot.

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Luminarus · Oct 10, 2007, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Sigh... Lorinda and Moriz... get over urselves. No matter how good you think you are you are both extremely immature. You have both gone from pointing out your Point of views to personal attacks. Now im not saying either of you suck, are noobs or whatever other insults are being thrown around, but the way your arguments both went stopped dealing with the problem and went to the "im better then you" child like fight.

FFS Grow up. If u luv AB and think your so good go back to it. Play more to improve in it, rather then wasting time here trying to make yourself feel good about yourselves. If you truly care what the other thinks of you then get some self esteem... i run some truthfully hilariously stupid builds FOR FUN. They are crap and i know it... but they are fun. When I do this i get called a noob etc... but i laugh it off because A) They take it too seriously for a game and B)They are people I dont know, nor will i ever meet so do not care how they feel about me.

Moriz thanx for the guide, I know many people will find it useful, even if others find it a waste of space on the internet.

Lorinda you may be right about everything u said... there is no need for u to personally attack Moriz for trying to help others with this guide. Why in the world would he make it unless he was trying to help people. If u feel something is wrong with it, make suggestions to IMPROVE, not to personally attack and put down the writer.

Finally about who is better, Luxon or Kurzick, it is highly variable. I dont AB much, but i have done so on both sides. Admittedly i dont have high ranks, so im not a Pro, nor do i claim to be. But in my experience the win/loss ratios end up being approximately equal. There is no point in arguing over which is better, because in truth it is highly dependant over who is on at the time.

bungusmaximus · Oct 10, 2007, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

>snip<

I think they both have a point anyway. If I play AB myself I try to work together to increase speed. Usually I have a monk along too and it's no point taking one when you run off all the time. I think you have to do what a situation asks for, but the teams I try to run are very bad at splitting up really (try and leave a fire ele alone in the cruel cold world, we're talking assassin-kebab here :P).

On the other hand, I tried running a standard BA ranger yesterday and I was rather surprised how long you can stall people with it. Find a high and dry point somewhere and most people are dead before they reach you. The combo of mending touch, natual stride and troll unguent make a person really hard to kill, and that definitely counts for something seen I totally phail at playing ranger to begin with.

Still, if Moriz would end up in my team (which I doubt since I recall fighting against him a few times) I would probably boot him because I don't like solo-artists, but most teams you join in AB matches scatter anyway. So having a reliable character that doesn't die easily and that can greatly inflluence a match alone is definitely worth it.

bungusmaximus · Oct 10, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Lorinda

But the statement; "These 2 rangers, the crip shot and BA ranger, are the best and there are no other good builds" just doesnt sick into my head. It is called, thinking inside a box. There is plenty of elites out there more then worth it to look into.

that also depends on the team, but a standard BA ranger IS really flexible. They can help in offense, defense, they're fast, they can operate in a team, alone, it doesn't matter, you name it, they do it.

Other examples of nice ranger builds:
Broad Head: nice, but rangers already have awesome non-elite interrupts so why sacrifice the damage?
Practiced stance/choking gas: as long as all the opponents are casters you'll be fine, damage is pretty meh and it's rigid.
RaO Thumper: Awesome at pressuring squishies, but that's about it, they need monk support as well to stay dangerous.
Trappers: they trap, in AB they're awesome, but in the end, they just trap and that's about it.
Touchers: Talk about a build that gets totally humiliated by BA/cripshot rangers.
Ranger/assa: good spike, end of story.
Prepared shot: can be nice to fuel concussion shot spam, but it's SLOW, that's a real let down imo.